First time: Early in the game, when you first come to Madra, enter the location via the ladder outside the walls of the town (not the ladder inside the walls near the little girl). At a fork leading up and down, it is not necessary to go down because there is a coiled rope near an NPC that merely leads to the area that the ladder entrance near the girl would lead to anyway (and is a dead-end at the moment), so go up. Follow the winding, linear path to the main "underground city" portion, and climb up the ivy immediately visible to your left. Facing an earth pillar from across a gap, cast the Move Psynergy to move it one space left to drop into and fill the gap, letting you proceed forward west. When you get to the "main building" at the upper left portion of the area, you are only able to