One type of Cyberman originated in another universe, where they were created by John Lumic, the owner of Cybus Industries and the original Cyber Controller of this breed. His Cybermen believed that all people must be "upgraded" to Cyber-form, so that information would never be lost and that the humans' physical and emotional weaknesses would be abolished. Beyond this, it remains unknown what the cyber-race would do if they completed conversion of humanity. If there was such a goal, it perished with John Lumic. Although the Tenth Doctor said "all you'll be left with is a metal earth, with metal people, with metal thoughts; you won't advance, you'll stop. "