A rivalry that arose from Kleenex beating Josh in the finals of the original fodder contest. By the end of that contest, the two were pretty solidly friends, so it really didn't matter who won. However, because rivalries are fun, the two became fierce rivals. It intensified when the results of the top 100 users came out and Josh placed #22, and Kleenex placed #50. In _Harmonica_'s Save My Board 8 User contest, Kleenex placed 5th while AKJ placed 6th. Kleenex was a bit faster in DEATHMATCH topics. They were anticipating their clashes in EUC4 and USB3, but neither happened.