He will confront the Hero if they are sneaking around the Howling Halls, telling them that he is a friend, and will hand them a set of Apostle Robes if they are not wearing any. He will explain that he and some of his brothers are tired of Ciirta's vendetta against Sheogorath, and wish to replace her and lead the Apostles down a new road. He will ask the Hero to find a set of three apostle daggers for him and his like-minded brothers so they can kill her.