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| - I'm thinking this build might have some trouble with energy management. How often do you have to stop completely and when? I mean theres no more soul reaping anymore. drop drain delusions (and spec), in the optionals and you're probably okay. - AthrunFeya - 00:43, January 22, 2010 (UTC) At the very least it could be an alternative to the player build for discord. With all the hexes, you'd only really need conditions. It just needs to be adapted to some more classes (at least necro and ele should work). >>Jayson<<< 01:15, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
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| - I'm thinking this build might have some trouble with energy management. How often do you have to stop completely and when? I mean theres no more soul reaping anymore. drop drain delusions (and spec), in the optionals and you're probably okay. - AthrunFeya - 00:43, January 22, 2010 (UTC) At the very least it could be an alternative to the player build for discord. With all the hexes, you'd only really need conditions. It just needs to be adapted to some more classes (at least necro and ele should work). had this exact bar sat in my sandbox for god knows how long, along with the ap sin spammer this is about the only truely viable bar for a mes that has a solid impact for vanqs/mish, and no vor doesnt count..reactive hex are soo 4 years ago..gogo power creep, shut down of melee is solid and the daze bursts are a bitch for casters with the bonus of some secondary damage from frag. Tho i will say that it IS a primarily a defensive build and not focused on damage, but on shutdown. which it does well. Cop can be dropped for Summon ruby djinn as that does actually target well almost all of the time! Tho often in longer battles you will be low on energy if you dont take drain delusions ect. with all the 10e shouts and spells.. This also works well for an E/me as you dont need a really high spec in illusion, and works for n/me but you need to take weakness instead of blind! :D >>Jayson<<< 02:49, January 22, 2010 (UTC) It says short lasting conditions but with 8 curses the damage per second on this is TERRIBLE. Lower curses to get the minimum duration on the conditions. Otherwise, the damage is so bad that you might as well run ANY other mesmer build (Me/E Flare for all I care) and, despite the conditions, the damage on Flaremes would be greater. Edit: Also Drain Delusions at 6 inspiration is a terrible way to manage energy because you only net +1 energy with 3/4 second casting delay afterwards.... Edit #2: And wouldn't it make since to add "YMLAD!" and Summon Ruby (for burning) while lowering Illusion so that it hits 11 and daze lasts 2 seconds while still having a 21 second duration?Rikk Panda 22:55, January 22, 2010 (UTC) i run 12 illu, 10 insp, 8 earth, rest fc, that covers bp's for 3sec daze, 4x4 return from drain delusions and overlapping blind, the slight hit frag takes isnt a big deal as its mainly a shutdown bar and the dps is 2ndry. Optional is cop or summon ruby. Usually with frontline pummeling the hard targets to proc daze and prevent casts. >>Jayson<<< 01:15, January 23, 2010 (UTC) you can fix it up, if you like. i'm feeling lazy. - AthrunFeya - 06:44, January 23, 2010 (UTC) WHY is CoP not mainbarred? It pwns faces! Tyrael Image:Life Sheath.jpg Meow 15:40, January 23, 2010 (UTC) I like the Elite and the concept but i really dont think its fast enough or even enough damage for PvE.Mercon 03:26, January 28, 2010 (UTC) Its a shutdown bar, the damage is secondary to neutering all phys and playing bloody havok with the casters. >>Jayson<<< 06:58, January 28, 2010 (UTC) This build needs Glyph of Immolation + Steam.83.160.160.130 15:06, January 30, 2010 (UTC) I might know know why I can't rate this, but this build makes pugging much more safe. I think that says a lot. Fragility should be used as a cover hex and You Are All Weaklings or Kitah's Burden could be optional. Cuilan 00:39, February 1, 2010 (UTC) More suggestions. Spear with a daze mod? Technobabble for more or complete daze uptime? The Me/N version does not have access to blind, which is better than weakness. Perhaps a N/Me variant for more skill slots? Cuilan 03:17, February 1, 2010 (UTC) Sounds decent, feel free to add stuff to the main page yourself - someone will always revert if they don't agree. - AthrunFeya - 03:18, February 1, 2010 (UTC)
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