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| - __NOWYSIWYG__ . I've always been proud of the unrestricted nature of the Avatar Wiki IRC channel. To me, it's always been a fresh breath of air compared to the conversation-stifling, stiff and rigid rules imposed on other similar wiki channels, and I strongly believe that it has led to our channel being more vibrant than it otherwise would be. However, based on reports from frequent users of the channel, I've begun looking into whether we are striking the best balance on the spectrum between totally rigid and totally anarchic. The understanding I have is that younger people who are interested in being part of the chat are sometimes put off by certain things that are said to them on the channel, for example remarks of a sexually explicit nature. What I hope we as a community should discuss here is what kind of balance we should strike, and ultimately whether we ought to impose a few limited rules on what can be discussed in the channel. Post away. The 888th Avatar (talk) 12:49, February 25, 2014 (UTC) Hmm... as the youngest active person (only 13 year old) on #wikia-avatar, I can state that I at least do get a little uncomfortable at times when sexually explicit discussion happens. While it hasn't been so much that I have considered leaving #wikia-avatar, I do think that it is something that should be addressed. There is a statement on AW:IRC that i think should be followed more than it is right now. The statement is, "Users may talk about any subject in any way they wish if no user participating on the channel at the time indicates, with justifiable reasoning, that they are uncomfortable with the subject or the language being utilized." Occasionally, I have become a tad bit uncomfortable with the discussion on hand, and have asked people to atleast tone down the language, but that has almost always been met with a large amount of negative comments, and have mostly been told to leave the channel. I feel that if people start following this rule, many complaints should be resolved. Srijay K - TechFilmer 18:18, February 25, 2014 (UTC) Umm, this is quite a tricky area. Based on the audience of Avatar and the age group the channel usually gets, most young people are starting to discover themselves and each other in a new area as part of growing older. Maybe we could import some rules from another channel I am an op on, as these loosely/usually keep things in somewhat of a good nature (see #2 and #3). With what TechFilmer said, I believe an resolution to this might be to add more ops to the channel, that way, if an issue comes up, someone with some authority backing them can ask others to change the discussion or move it elsewhere. But I believe the discussion of having more ops has came up before, and I think this should have a discussion on it's own. - ChiyoMihama (wall • contribs) 21:43, February 25, 2014 (UTC) I'm definitely all for the channel being SFW, and any user found not to be keeping conversation reasonable could face exclusion as a result. Personally, though, I don't see an issue in regards to toning down swearing and the likes. For me, that isn't an age thing, but personal preference (because the five-year-olds using the 'c' word can definitely attest that they don't mind swearing), and part of the fun of the IRC is the more freedom in communication. If I may ask, what kind of material prompted this discussion. I haven't been on Iar Sea much lately, and would prefer to keep my stances fairly neutral until I know exactly what the issue is. 22:16, February 25, 2014 (UTC) If we do need official rules for the channel, I suggest sticking as close to common sense as possible. As for adding more ops, I don't see that being a major issue at this time. I don't want it to become a habit to berate, let alone ban, users who say things on IRC that happen to offend at least one other person. Keep in mind that this is a diverse community with different sensitivities, so that could be opening a severe can of worms for the IRC. The admins tend to be on-site at different hours of the day and even if one's not on the channel itself, they can be reached on the admin noticeboard on the wiki easily enough. -- 04:11, February 26, 2014 (UTC) I don't go to IRC as much as I used to, so I don't notice the conversation for several parts of the daytime hours. When I do go there, I haven't really noticed too much in the way of things being problematic. With that said, if there is a need for rules, I agree with ARG - let common sense prevail in drafting them. 15:09, February 26, 2014 (UTC) The mood I'm reading here is a weak, very qualified support for restrictions of some kind. The thing is, I'm not sure what kind of balance is appropriate here. There seem to limited options between letting it all happen and letting none of it happen. Why don't we stick to something like not targeting remarks of a sexual nature at any user whose age hasn't been established to be over 16? (Any further tinkering around the edges on similar subjects welcome of course.) The 888th Avatar (talk) 12:00, March 13, 2014 (UTC) I'll support that, and I'm in favor of rules 2 and 3 of Chiyo's example list, and maybe 1 as well by itself, but not rules 1a or 1b below that. That isn't to say that I'm advocating any of those things, but people tend to have their own subjective standards and definitions of what constitutes them. In order to keep IRC the relatively flexible environment that it is now, I really don't think we should go much further than that. -- 23:23, March 13, 2014 (UTC)
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