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| - Any news on this? Or is there another place to check and I missed it? RoseOfKali Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png 01:46, November 4, 2010 (UTC) If Jedi received a response, then no one but she knows about it - pretty sure it would've been a big deal on IRC. —Dr Ishmael File:Diablo the chicken.gif 02:03, November 4, 2010 (UTC) My email reply was just "k, will look" or words to that effect. I've been talking this over with others in the office and am writing a reply - sorry for the wait -- Sannse (help forum | blog) 03:48, November 4, 2010 (UTC) Well gee, no wonder she didn't bother mentioning that to us. "We'll look into it" is PR-talk for "Let's ignore it and hope everyone else forgets about it." We went to the trouble of writing up a thorough, non-confrontational letter that clearly lays out our situation and states our grievances (as opposed to simply whining that we hate the new skin), and all we get from Wikia is a trite "We'll look into it" and a 2-week-plus wait for a real response? Wow. I think this, more than anything else, demonstrates exactly how unimportant wiki "communities" are to the new Wikia. —Dr Ishmael File:Diablo the chicken.gif 04:46, November 4, 2010 (UTC) I wasn't expecting a response anyway. Image:Felix Omni Signature.png 05:08, November 4, 2010 (UTC) Neither was I, honestly, but somehow it feels worse now, knowing that they intentionally blew us off. And they probably only started writing this response in the last... oh, 12 hours or so. —Dr Ishmael File:Diablo the chicken.gif 12:45, November 4, 2010 (UTC) I should apologize. Partially my fault. I think everyone assumed I sent this immediately. I wanted to wait for us to get more than just the admin's signatures on it and had other stuff going on IRL so they didn't get this until the end of last week. Sannse emailed me back on the 2nd.—♥Jedi♥Rogue♥ 17:19, November 4, 2010 (UTC) =\ Image:Felix Omni Signature.png 17:20, November 4, 2010 (UTC) Well. That makes a big difference, then, doesn't it? I take back what I said above. —Dr Ishmael File:Diablo the chicken.gif 17:31, November 4, 2010 (UTC) And sorry from me too, I wasn't clear above - the email pointed us to this page, my reply wasn't a brush-off, it was something like "OK, thanks for letting know of the page, I'll head over to look at it" -- Sannse (help forum | blog) 18:05, November 4, 2010 (UTC) Wait, wait, WAIT. Why did you need an e-mail to point you to this page? Do you have no one who at least hits recent changes on ANY of your wikis and at least tries to get a feel for the ebb and flow of a wiki? And even if you have no one that hits RC, I'm pretty sure this page has made itself known on "Wiki Activity." This just seems flagrantly disrespectful and neglectful. Do you really not feel the need to actually see what people are editing on the wiki that you need an email specifically pointing you to one page that is ABOUT you, and in fact, directly openly addressed to you? I recant my previous stance of "Failure from on High." This is a poignant and obvious example of simply not caring. This page was created on October 18th, 16 days ago total. You were emailed last week, assuming that Jedi emailed you on Monday of last week, that leaves an entire week for ANY wikia staff to have found this page. A WEEK. 7 days. 5 of these business days. Can you honestly tell me, in good faith, that in the 40 hours that I have given you, not one person who works for Wikia ever decided to look at this page, or tell ANYONE about it? No one? Perfect.--Łô√ë Image:Gigathrash sig G.jpgîğá†ħŕášħ is hosting a Card Creation Contest! 20:33, November 4, 2010 (UTC) Your assumption that Jedi mailed it on Monday is wrong, she said above that "they didn't get this until the end of last week," which would imply she mailed it Thursday night or Friday. Also, besides assuming that Jedi had sent this to Wikia 2 weeks ago, I also assumed that she had actually sent them the whole message, instead of just a link to this page, which is why I misinterpreted Sannse's "k, will look" paraphrasing. Seems like there's been major miscommunication from all sides here. —Dr Ishmael File:Diablo the chicken.gif 20:48, November 4, 2010 (UTC) I was being as generous as possible on time frames. Giving them as much benefit of the doubt as physically possible is my attempt to remain fair. The point that no one in Wikia noticed this on their own however, still stands.--Łô√ë Image:Gigathrash sig G.jpgîğá†ħŕášħ is hosting a Card Creation Contest! 21:30, November 4, 2010 (UTC) I think Giga's having way too high of an expectation. Wikia doesn't have thousands of staff members stalking the RC of all their however many wikis they got. I wouldn't even expect them to be constantly stalking WoWWiki's RC. Putting major pages on their watchlist and keep an eye on that? Definitely. Stalk all the recent changes? They might need to increase the number of ads by 100x to pay for the humanpower. -User:PanSola (talk to the Image:Follower of Lyssa.png) 22:16, November 6, 2010 (UTC) My reasoning behind my expectation is a vain hope for Wikia. The fact that they DON'T have anyone that can monitor wiki activities means that they have no idea what is happening in their wikis. Which is idiotic when you remember that Wikia is currently attempting to take complete control of the wikis they own. How do they honestly expect to improve or even mandate their own wikis, if they have no point of reference to said wikis? It's just sad to think that a company could fail so utterly at it's primary goal. (INB4 Wikia is about money, not wikis, noob. Wikia is supposed to be about wikis, take your parroting hate somewhere else.)--Łô√ë Image:Gigathrash sig G.jpgîğá†ħŕášħ is hosting a Card Creation Contest! 22:25, November 6, 2010 (UTC) Giga, there are more than 170,000 wikis on Wikia. Even with most of those inactive, that's multiple edits a second... of course we don't see everything (especially as we are still a small company with a limited support team). We call in to various wikis, we have some tools that help volunteers check for specific problems like spam, and we have support email and a central community wiki. We see a snapshot and highlights of what's going on, but it's easy not to see specific pages or conversations until we are told of them. (and of course we are not trying to "take complete control"... that would make as little sense as trying to see all conversations on all wikis). -- Sannse (help forum | blog) 20:27, November 9, 2010 (UTC) (Reset indent) Ya'll at making me feel bad =(. I didn't send it right away because I wanted to get general support on it. Get some signatures and see if anyone was going to make changes. I sent an email linking to it on the 29th. I did originally plan on sending it earlier in the week but I had some personal stuff distracting me and I'm not a full time wikiist (new term!). Only a link because I wanted it to come from here and not from me.—♥Jedi♥Rogue♥ 13:23, November 5, 2010 (UTC) It's "wikian," I believe. :P And I think you were right in trying to get a little more support and see if any more improvements are made to the article, as well as sending the link to the original letter, instead of copy-pasting. My only comment on that would be that maybe you should have made it clearer that this was important, but I don't think you did anything wrong. I do find it rather puzzling that nobody at Wikia noticed the page in all that time, as Giga pointed out. RoseOfKali Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png 15:15, November 5, 2010 (UTC) Also, letting us know your plan beforehand would've eliminated the need for me to make any assumptions in the first place. :) —Dr Ishmael File:Diablo the chicken.gif 16:03, November 5, 2010 (UTC) I thought I had mentioned it in IRC. Or meant to. My b. —♥Jedi♥Rogue♥ 17:22, November 5, 2010 (UTC) I, personally, have never used IRC, and time zones make it so that many of those who do use it will miss the things that happen there as they happen. Besides that, I really can't wait to see the resolution of this, because the current look of this wiki is unacceptable. The longer we wait, the more damage will be done in terms of losing readers and contributors alike, and believe me when I say that many (if not most) of them will not be coming back, even if we eventually manage to get exactly the look we want to have. And while we are waiting for this resolution, we're not doing much of anything (that shows, at least) to minimize the impact. When I load up the main page, I do not recognize it at all, I see next to nothing that tells me this is THE once awesome wiki that started it all, and this truly makes me sad. RoseOfKali Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png 23:02, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
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